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01-18-07

V7 boasting ethical paid links

Via Marketing Pilgrim I saw that V7 is now selling paid contextual ads. What they are boasting as being different from others in the paid links arena is that their sites are 100% hidden from the grasp of Matt, but more importantly in my book is that they are all contextual in content links.

Anyone going after links knows that links surrounded by some sweet text on a page barely linking out to others with a lot of backlinks coming is gold and that is what the V7 network is claiming to have gathered.

You can read the full V7 paid links post at MP, what I thought was interesting was the use of the word ethics in stating that their group of sites and method of selling is ethical. There has been a lot of talk latley on the paid link subject and ethics and all that. Here is my problem with bringing ethics into it, if your talking about Google not liking it that is not ethics they are not God. They are a for profit company trying to put more money in their share holders pockets. People buying and selling links are doing the same thing making some side money. That doesn’t mean that you aren’t running the risk of hurting your sites cred in the engines with the purchase, you may be, but that is a business choice you need to make not an ethical one.

I just don’t know why seo is always getting pushed into the ethics mix, sure if you are telling your client you are going to do all white hat and then you buy a million sitewides and cloak their site then you have an ethical issue but not in the seo scope of things in your business practices. SEO is not unethical you are creating a page for profit on a for profit search engine, you don’t play by their rules you may get banned but you aren’t going to hell. Unless of course you spamming porn when my twins type in the wiggles, or TMNT.

Sorry about the soap box. A couple rad things about the V7 ad network,

One Time Fee of $20 per link (hey that is better than DP)

No ROS that is cool.

They say there is a hard pre screening process

More Inventory (I believe they are launching with a huge inventory, probably larger than TLB but not TLA)

One Time Fee that is freaking sweet!!

**My personal favorite and what I am most curious about is placed within content. These guys know how to rank sites so I am assuming this will be done very well.

Im excited I think it was perfect timing and there is a definate place for it.

Edit****Earlier today when I made the post I wasn’t specific enough in what I was adressing, I was in no way implying Jordan was assuming those things concerning ethics and God, I was talking generally (more of a rant really) because of all the talk seo and buying links has gotten latley. Thanks Jordan for your comments.

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Jordan McCollum,

Ethics isn’t about God. Ethics, from the American Heritage Dictionary, is defined at “The rules or standards governing the conduct of a person or the members of a profession.”

No one said that you’re going to Hell if you buy or sell links. If the standards of the search engines state that buying and selling links is as wrong as, say, cloaking, then don’t do those things and call yourself “ethical” (or at least not white hat). You may not be sinning, but you’re not following the “rules or standards governing the conduct” of the industry.

Ethical or white hat SEO (which you might not equate, but I do) doesn’t try to game or play the search engines; it tries to provide even more relevant results (from its clients) within the guidelines set by the search engines. It’s not because Google is God and a rank of 31+ is Hell–it’s because as the search engine they do get to set the rules of what’s acceptable to them.

(Side note: Morals is about the goodness or badness of your actions, especially in light of the judgment of God. Ethics is more about adhering to the standards of right and wrong set by man.)

(Second side note: just to clarify, the links are not going to be placed on V7N and I don’t think they’ll be placing them on publishers’ sites by hand. While they may have stringent guidelines on placement for publishers when the time comes, V7N’s expertise may or may not have any influence on the efficacy of the program’s execution.)

Chris Bennett,

That is an awesome reply.

So does Google set “The rules or standards governing the conduct of a person or the members of a profession.”?

Jordan McCollum,

Google sets the standard by which you interact with its search engine. You can choose to follow those guidelines or not. I realize that many well-respected, white hat SEOs choose to buy and sell links.

I’m of the opinion that a perfectly white hat SEO has committed herself or himself to working within the guidelines provided by search engines–that’s the standard governing their conduct, not the guidelines themselves.

So Google gets to set its own rules by default, it’s an individual’s choice whether to adhere to its guidelines.

Really, though, my biggest “ethical” concern is for the client here. Wrestle with your soul all you want, but if you’re buying and selling links when Google’s against it and you’re telling your client that you’re pearly white, then there’s an ethical dilemma.

To be totally transparent, you’d have to tell your client that you’re buying and/or selling links for them, and IF Google can figure it out, they probably won’t like it.

Who wants to tell their clients THAT?

Chris Bennett,

I totally agree, it isn’t buying links that is un-ethical IMO but telling your client you aren’t doing anything that could comprise their rankings in the engines when you are gray through and through is bad business ethics.

JohnScott,

I think the ethics question is silly myself, but it does have to be addressed when advertisers are getting flamed because of it. (See http://www.webhostingfinds.com/blog/post/110 )

By selling links, and not editorial endorsements, I think we do dodge that bullet almost entirely. Of course some people are even opposed to link buying in any form, and we won’t be able to keep those folks happy.

JohnScott,

In regard to the possibility of penalty, I’m confident that these links cannot be detected by search engines as paid, and for that reason are completely safe for the website owners. The whole premise of V7N Contextual is that contextual, unique links are undetectable and appear 100% organic. :)

Chris Bennett,

John thanks for your comments, I am very excited for it I think it will have a great place in the seo community. When do you plan on having it ready?

JohnScott,

We have some minor issues, but it should be online and ready today. We were running it in beta for a bit in V7N’s private forums, and it did well, with good response from both bloggers and advertisers. :)

Jordan McCollum,

Hey Chris,
Don’t worry, I wasn’t taking it personally. I just wanted to clarify (and on MP, since that was the portion of your post that appeared on the trackback) that it wasn’t in the original post. I appreciate your edit and enjoyed the debate!

Chris Bennett,

Thanks Jordan for the reply, I see you are in Utah we need to get all the seo’s together for a dinner or something sometime in Utah talk shop. There are so many Seo’s in Utah it is a joke. Whether they are good or not is a nother question.

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